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« on: March 23, 2008, 07:44:29 PM »

‘The Dalai Lama should quit his Hollywood approach’

Tibetan exiles staged a series of demonstrations over the last fortnight protesting the “brutal clampdown” on ‘pro-independence’ protesters in Tibet. Writer and Tibet activist PATRICK FRENCH talks to SHOMA CHOUDHARY of tehelka.com about the ongoing movement in Tibet.

http://www.nepalnews.com/archive/2008/others/interview/mar/interview02.php
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« Reply #1 on: March 23, 2008, 09:21:44 PM »

Patrick has spoken my mind,completely agreed with what he explained
It's incredible but true,all what is happening with Tibet inside and outside.The governments of being subjected  to economical and territorial interests do nothing to prevent from the oppression of a culture,of a language and of people......a comprehensive overall review can be made at the global leve
l,of the sentiments of guilty of humans.It's high time we think what kind of education we want for our coming generations
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« Reply #2 on: March 23, 2008, 10:31:30 PM »

what is the significance of this article here? what is the need to copy something from tehelka.com at this point? To Encourage unruly tibetans!!!!!!

Tibet is internal affairs of China and Nepalnews in fact, should not have any business with it except to report news.

A Completely useless article published in shitty website n in wrong time!

Completely irrevelant and the article deserves its respect which it can command-that is outright rejection!!!!
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« Reply #3 on: March 24, 2008, 05:32:55 AM »

Western powers, the UN etc have intervened in other countries where there have been gross human rights violations. Why has Tibet not merited that? Is the scale of the oppression less? Or is it not worth it in terms of rich resources and geopolitical advantage?

China is too powerful for foreign intervention to be feasible.
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Yes, this is the answer that we Nepalese should realize. China is indeed too powerful for even US to play Iraq or Afghanistan game with it. No chance for others in this game.

The timing is perfect for the Tibetians though. I am pretty sure the game in Tibet is remotely controlled by India and US. And recently, Indians published a new softer China defense policy. What a timing? Chinese gonna kill all these monks if they interfere with the Olympics.

Tibet is indeed China's internal matter, but off course, it used to be a free country once upon a time. We have beaten them couple of times. I think we need an opponent who we can genuinely beat in war. So, free Tibet is a welcome.
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« Reply #4 on: March 24, 2008, 09:20:04 AM »

Patrick  French shows a complete lack of understanding of the Dalai Lama as a leader and his non-violent approach to resolve the Tibet issue.  I wonder if he had a double agenda on his mind when he acted as  a director of Tibet Campaign. I truly question his integrity and his connection with the Chinese government.  China to let a former director of Tibet Campaign in to Tibet for three months speaks a volume of his sweet connection with China.
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« Reply #5 on: March 24, 2008, 10:04:52 AM »

Dalai Lama has freedom to do any thin g as per his plan, but we as a small country must not allow our soil agianst China.
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« Reply #6 on: March 24, 2008, 03:14:13 PM »

patrick french is right in saying china is too powerful. apart from being powerful china also rule tibet with iron fist. well someone in the world need to understand Dalai Lama's plight.its not actually hollywood that support dalai lama its actually few american actors,singers and writers who like Dalai lama and want to do something for tibet. richard gere is best example. also one thing Patrick french...Dalai Lama can never go to tibet-china border for peaceful demonstration because China PLA will confront him with GUN. China is not showing any interest in Dalai Lama becuase it knows very well that it can supply world with cheap goods. it is constantly blaming D Lama for violent uprising in Tibet.Why dont china Just give Tibet a full autonomous right.  no matter how powerful china is it will fall down one day just like Germany Japan or russia
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« Reply #7 on: March 24, 2008, 03:43:28 PM »

@ BBS,

Come off it! That’s a good sign that I made a “redneck” laugh!!

You require some more tickling to deride you and think about the future in good terms. Some more “guili-guili” and you’d leave your stone aged mindset to land in the Y2K8!!!

Ciao!

@ Patrick French,

You're in error to drive the bloggers of this Board in wrong direction. The Dalai Lama is doing his job. He never asked for Olympic games boycott. Chinese have to change and it's high time that people like you help this country's elite to change their prism of viewpoints.

We're looking forward to see this great country paving the way of prosperity by advancing in the field of democracy.

B' Bye,

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« Reply #8 on: March 24, 2008, 06:45:28 PM »

I think it is simple to understand why China want to held Tibet. It is geopolitics and nothing else.

Apart from the geopolitics, I don't see anything significant that Tibet has to offer to China. Its got no oil or diamond. It is a trash land at very high altitude, only good for bheda and chanygra for Nepali Dashain. Oh! yes, people pray to a  special kind of god a lot there.

Only hippies in West love Tibet. If they are American, I can guarantee you that most of them don't know where Tibet exist in Globe. Westerner yearn for natural and spiritual life. Most of them are sick with their own artificial scientific life. For many Westerners Tibet is only a land of fantasy, quite well sold by Mr. Dalai Lama. Taking advantage of the love of their people, politicians from west-lands do geopolitics with China.

If US or India acts straight, I don't see any reason why China will want to have Tibet, and true Mr. Dalai Lama should stop selling Tibetian fantasy in West if he is to get anything from China. He should rather say that Tibetians imported salt from Nepal and provided Nepal with Bheda and Chyangra, and that they are a only trash and ask an analytical question to the Chinese- why they do politics with a trash?

I don't buy the concept of democracy in Tibet under Dalai Lama (not an individual). Dalai Lama is some form of religious fundamentalism. There is no scientific base on the concept of Dalai Lama. It is bullshit.
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« Reply #9 on: March 25, 2008, 05:26:01 AM »

Diarie do you think buddhism is brought by tibetans in our land?Intellectual bankruptcy or an ignorance what might i can say,no words!!
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« Reply #10 on: March 25, 2008, 11:46:33 AM »

"why should one quit to demand freedom from the control of big power"
why because china is powerful, or its our neighbour,
i have gone through most of the comments posted by other members who are just blaming Dalai lama, when it comes to our situation it was a big hue and cry when king rule our country, but Tibet is under the chinese rule more than 50 years, why can't they ask for freedom and right for self determination, its their matter so they have to solve, as a neighbour we can give only well wishes.
one of our friend did mention that Tibet is of no use for the chinese, then why not freedom for the tibetan, let them rule themselve,
god bless everyone for the good cause.
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« Reply #11 on: March 25, 2008, 12:36:15 PM »

Diarie!

Buddhism is no different than Hinduism. In fact, it is a form of Hinduism.  Buddha didn't read books borrowed from Tibet for his enlightenment. He studied Hindu books. Buddhism is spread of Hinduism to the stupid ones, like Tibetians and Dalai Lamas, with a new name. I am happy that you have followed it.

By the way, Hinduism is not a religion but a name given to the Santaan Dharma by the West. Religion of present form was creation of People (for some god)  like JESUS and ALLAH.

Hinduism has no fixed testaments like bible or Koran. So your mention of in human tradition is only stupidity. Clean yourself with Knowledge.
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« Reply #12 on: March 25, 2008, 10:55:01 PM »

Diarie!

Buddhism is no different than Hinduism. In fact, it is a form of Hinduism.  Buddha didn't read books borrowed from Tibet for his enlightenment. He studied Hindu books. Buddhism is spread of Hinduism to the stupid ones, like Tibetians and Dalai Lamas, with a new name. I am happy that you have followed it.

By the way, Hinduism is not a religion but a name given to the Santaan Dharma by the West. Religion of present form was creation of People (for some god)  like JESUS and ALLAH.

Hinduism has no fixed testaments like bible or Koran. So your mention of in human tradition is only stupidity. Clean yourself with Knowledge.


Rame Buddhism is not same as Hinduism. Buddhism is very different from Buddhism. Ir is the earliest historical religion of India and Nepal. The word Hinduism is new. It is word given by the Muslims. During the time of Buddha there was no such word as Hindu or Hinduis. Buddha was against the caste system and vedic rituals at that time. Dalai Lama is the most respected preson in the world. There is no leaders in the wolrd except the Chinese leaders that did not meet with him or did not respect him.

Hinduism is the only religion in the world that discriminates against its own people like the Dalits. Sudras, Women and untouchables. Other religions like Islam and Christians discrminate against people of other religion but Hinduism ( Brahmanism) in the name of Caste System and for the vested interest of the Brahamans their own people are discriminated and considered as outcastes.
Buddhism is the second religion of the most of the people of the world and have spread all around the world but Hinduism is limited to the Brahamans only who take advantage of their own race and own brothers in the name of caste system. It is the worst religion in the world.
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« Reply #13 on: March 26, 2008, 01:44:49 AM »

Jaidev,

Hinduism precedes Brahmanical culture. Veda don't even mention of god, forget Vishnu, Mahesh and Brahma.  God is simply five fundamental elements of earth in the veda. I think this should give enough impression of Hinduism.

Hinduism cannot be explained by one person like Buddha or Jesus or Allah. We have 30 Million different theories. This means we hindus have 30 million different kinds of bible or Quran. All Buddha did was read and summarized some of these different theories, which later became his creation in the form of Buddhism. Buddha lectured these theories in Patliputra university and not in the Shangri-La of today. Buddha minus hinduism, Buddhism would have no chance on earth. And your number makes no sense to me, because people who have adopted Buddhism don't have celebrities like different Hindu gods. Most of them are confused with spiritualism, you can consider Westerners as an example here. Bible is spiritually incomplete. Greeks never had any interest in Buddhism, because Greeks  like Hindus have several celebrity gods.

Creation of caste is and was a cultural practice. It is just like saying Mr., Sir., Dr., Prof. in the order of capacity. Yes, the concept has been twisted. But the caste twist in still not incorporated to the Hinduism. Caste has no place in Hinduism, no matter how powerful the "Prasads" and Shah (claiming to be Vishnu Avtaar) gets. So, your argument on Hinduism and caste in unfounded. Funny, other religions cannot differentiate between religion and culture.

Allah, Jesus etc. seek cheap popularity in the name of religion, which creates religious conflicts and, which also forces some Hindus to retaliate. Read in the following weblink to know what hinduism is all about in short.
 http://www.intentblog.com/archives/2007/07/geeta_saar_the.html

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« Reply #14 on: March 26, 2008, 12:18:03 PM »

mY SANATHAN DHARMA TEACHER SAYS ALL COMES FROM VEDA SAME AS BIBLE HA HA
Diarie!

Buddhism is no different than Hinduism. In fact, it is a form of Hinduism.  Buddha didn't read books borrowed from Tibet for his enlightenment. He studied Hindu books. Buddhism is spread of Hinduism to the stupid ones, like Tibetians and Dalai Lamas, with a new name. I am happy that you have followed it.

By the way, Hinduism is not a religion but a name given to the Santaan Dharma by the West. Religion of present form was creation of People (for some god)  like JESUS and ALLAH.

Hinduism has no fixed testaments like bible or Koran. So your mention of in human tradition is only stupidity. Clean yourself with Knowledge.

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